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> <channel><title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Top 5 Healthcare Lies</title> <atom:link href="http://obamalies.net/obamas-top-5-healthcare-lies.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://obamalies.net/obamas-top-5-healthcare-lies.html</link> <description>Exposing The Lies of those Around President Barack Obama</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:19:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: jspurr01</title><link>http://obamalies.net/obamas-top-5-healthcare-lies.html/comment-page-1#comment-4033</link> <dc:creator>jspurr01</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:46:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://obamalies.net/?p=702#comment-4033</guid> <description>Thank you admin ... as much as you and I disagree, I appreciate this post the most.  It is a much clearer, reasonable statement of your position, which I can respect.  I would like to hope that all the discourse on these topics, especially within our congress, could get to this level of communication.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you admin &#8230; as much as you and I disagree, I appreciate this post the most.  It is a much clearer, reasonable statement of your position, which I can respect.  I would like to hope that all the discourse on these topics, especially within our congress, could get to this level of communication.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: admin</title><link>http://obamalies.net/obamas-top-5-healthcare-lies.html/comment-page-1#comment-4025</link> <dc:creator>admin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:05:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://obamalies.net/?p=702#comment-4025</guid> <description>I would disagree with your argument that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are built on a foundation of good health.  Just because you have good health doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;ll have a good life.  Plenty of people have lived great lives and not been healthy.It is not my responsibility to pay for your health, and it is not society&#039;s responsibility to pay for your good health.  If you want to be healthy take care of yourself.  If you can&#039;t afford to pay for some terrible thing that happens to you, turn to your family and friends, if they can&#039;t help turn to the neighbors in your community to help.  The key is choice.In a government run health care solution, I have no choice.  I have to help you, or the IRS comes after me.  Personally, I will refuse to work and have my income garnished to support you.  I may have wanted to help you out, but the second you forced it upon me you lost me.  I rather sit on a park bench and do nothing all day.As for whether the top #5 Health care lies are fact or opinions.  I guess time will tell.  Some people have a better sense of actions and their consequences.  Take away a Doctor&#039;s incentive to practice medicine, he won&#039;t want to practice medicine.  Helping people isn&#039;t ones sole motivation to become a doctor.  Force him into a situation where he has no option but to help, and watch the quality go down, and less Doctors enter the field.  Why would anyone want to contribute when others can get things for free?  It doesn&#039;t make much sense.  Here, let me go to work, so you can sit on your butt all day. Not going to happen.  Or do you propose that the government forces us all to work, so we can pay taxes to fund your health care?Offer a health care option at a cheaper price and people will come in droves.  Forget to run it like a business, which big government seems to do quite often and you end up having to raise everyone&#039;s taxes.The changes won&#039;t affect the rich, they&#039;ll always have the money they need to pay for good quality health care.  Forget about the poor, they already have great health care.  The only people that truly are affected are the middle class, and what they&#039;ll get is long lines and pitiful service.  Instead of Canadians coming down to the U.S., we&#039;ll all be singing Viva La Mexico.  I hear they&#039;ve got great health care, don&#039;t they?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would disagree with your argument that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are built on a foundation of good health.  Just because you have good health doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;ll have a good life.  Plenty of people have lived great lives and not been healthy.</p><p>It is not my responsibility to pay for your health, and it is not society&#8217;s responsibility to pay for your good health.  If you want to be healthy take care of yourself.  If you can&#8217;t afford to pay for some terrible thing that happens to you, turn to your family and friends, if they can&#8217;t help turn to the neighbors in your community to help.  The key is choice.</p><p>In a government run health care solution, I have no choice.  I have to help you, or the IRS comes after me.  Personally, I will refuse to work and have my income garnished to support you.  I may have wanted to help you out, but the second you forced it upon me you lost me.  I rather sit on a park bench and do nothing all day.</p><p>As for whether the top #5 Health care lies are fact or opinions.  I guess time will tell.  Some people have a better sense of actions and their consequences.  Take away a Doctor&#8217;s incentive to practice medicine, he won&#8217;t want to practice medicine.  Helping people isn&#8217;t ones sole motivation to become a doctor.  Force him into a situation where he has no option but to help, and watch the quality go down, and less Doctors enter the field.  Why would anyone want to contribute when others can get things for free?  It doesn&#8217;t make much sense.  Here, let me go to work, so you can sit on your butt all day. Not going to happen.  Or do you propose that the government forces us all to work, so we can pay taxes to fund your health care?</p><p>Offer a health care option at a cheaper price and people will come in droves.  Forget to run it like a business, which big government seems to do quite often and you end up having to raise everyone&#8217;s taxes.</p><p>The changes won&#8217;t affect the rich, they&#8217;ll always have the money they need to pay for good quality health care.  Forget about the poor, they already have great health care.  The only people that truly are affected are the middle class, and what they&#8217;ll get is long lines and pitiful service.  Instead of Canadians coming down to the U.S., we&#8217;ll all be singing Viva La Mexico.  I hear they&#8217;ve got great health care, don&#8217;t they?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jspurr01</title><link>http://obamalies.net/obamas-top-5-healthcare-lies.html/comment-page-1#comment-3930</link> <dc:creator>jspurr01</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:12:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://obamalies.net/?p=702#comment-3930</guid> <description>Admin ... I am sorry that I lost you.  Yes, I refute that ... they are not lies ... but what I can&#039;t refute is the fact that you call them lies -- your counterpoints are merely Your Opinions.  Lies must have quantitative proof that the issue in question is Contrary to Fact.  There is no language in the current programs that indicate what you say are lies.  You are predicting outcomes based on Your Opinions, and projecting Your Opinions as fact.  By claiming Your Opinions as fact and therefore saying they are what Will happen, you claim that makes these issues lies.  If I were to take your approach, I would claim that your 5 counterpoints are the Lies ... by simply stating the opposite opinion.  You have soft reasoning that does not cite specific language in the Programs.  Your Death Panel argument isn&#039;t even based on the original source of where the Death Panels issue came from (end of life counseling).  You are hoping people will believe these are lies because you say so ... and keep saying so -- it is an old practice that if you repeat a rumor often enough, people will believe it.Other topic:  If you get hit by a bus (and not die), you will be quite damaged.  You may not be coherent.  Are you willing to carry a card that says &quot;uninsured ... if it costs more than $xxxK to fix me, please do not take me to a medical facility&quot;? (of course, this $ amount would have to be based on your net worth and credit rating)  ... if so, good for you, but I suspect the vast majority of folks would not sign up for that feature as part of reform.  When I was 12, one of my best friends fell out of a tree and became a quadraplegic.  He was in the hospital for 2 years.  I don&#039;t know how that was paid, but I know the family could never have paid on their own.  Are children supposed to be subject to their parents&#039; decisions not to be insured (and carry the &#039;uninsured advisory card&#039;)?  I suppose this could be fine with your philosophy/opinion, but it is not mine.I would suggest that because as a society, we collectively have inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (don&#039;t think I need to bother with the footnote) -- I believe it goes without saying that you cannot do that without a foundation of good health.  Now that &#039;good health&#039; has gone beyond the days when it was everything the village Doc can fit in a black bag, the portion of our inalienable rights that is our collective health cannot be left solely in the hands of profit motivated organizations.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admin &#8230; I am sorry that I lost you.  Yes, I refute that &#8230; they are not lies &#8230; but what I can&#8217;t refute is the fact that you call them lies &#8212; your counterpoints are merely Your Opinions.  Lies must have quantitative proof that the issue in question is Contrary to Fact.  There is no language in the current programs that indicate what you say are lies.  You are predicting outcomes based on Your Opinions, and projecting Your Opinions as fact.  By claiming Your Opinions as fact and therefore saying they are what Will happen, you claim that makes these issues lies.  If I were to take your approach, I would claim that your 5 counterpoints are the Lies &#8230; by simply stating the opposite opinion.  You have soft reasoning that does not cite specific language in the Programs.  Your Death Panel argument isn&#8217;t even based on the original source of where the Death Panels issue came from (end of life counseling).  You are hoping people will believe these are lies because you say so &#8230; and keep saying so &#8212; it is an old practice that if you repeat a rumor often enough, people will believe it.</p><p>Other topic:  If you get hit by a bus (and not die), you will be quite damaged.  You may not be coherent.  Are you willing to carry a card that says &#8220;uninsured &#8230; if it costs more than $xxxK to fix me, please do not take me to a medical facility&#8221;? (of course, this $ amount would have to be based on your net worth and credit rating)  &#8230; if so, good for you, but I suspect the vast majority of folks would not sign up for that feature as part of reform.  When I was 12, one of my best friends fell out of a tree and became a quadraplegic.  He was in the hospital for 2 years.  I don&#8217;t know how that was paid, but I know the family could never have paid on their own.  Are children supposed to be subject to their parents&#8217; decisions not to be insured (and carry the &#8216;uninsured advisory card&#8217;)?  I suppose this could be fine with your philosophy/opinion, but it is not mine.</p><p>I would suggest that because as a society, we collectively have inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (don&#8217;t think I need to bother with the footnote) &#8212; I believe it goes without saying that you cannot do that without a foundation of good health.  Now that &#8216;good health&#8217; has gone beyond the days when it was everything the village Doc can fit in a black bag, the portion of our inalienable rights that is our collective health cannot be left solely in the hands of profit motivated organizations.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: admin</title><link>http://obamalies.net/obamas-top-5-healthcare-lies.html/comment-page-1#comment-3927</link> <dc:creator>admin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:38:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://obamalies.net/?p=702#comment-3927</guid> <description>jspurr01, as for your rebuttal to the 5 lies.   i&#039;m sorry but you lost me.  from what i gather, you can&#039;t refute the lies.  so 5 points obama lies.  0 points jspurr01.  as for your whole status quo bit, i disagree with your premise.  the idea that government should be the champion of our health care, that government should take on the increased debt, and that big government can actually improve health care in this nation.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jspurr01, as for your rebuttal to the 5 lies.   i&#8217;m sorry but you lost me.  from what i gather, you can&#8217;t refute the lies.  so 5 points obama lies.  0 points jspurr01.  as for your whole status quo bit, i disagree with your premise.  the idea that government should be the champion of our health care, that government should take on the increased debt, and that big government can actually improve health care in this nation.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: admin</title><link>http://obamalies.net/obamas-top-5-healthcare-lies.html/comment-page-1#comment-3924</link> <dc:creator>admin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:03:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://obamalies.net/?p=702#comment-3924</guid> <description>Well if I get hit by a bus, I will probably die.  If health related complications occur that I cannot afford then I will have to accept them.  Who says that I have to be fixed?  So you&#039;re saying that if I get in an accident, and I can&#039;t afford the treatment that I have to be fixed?   I have a right to not be fixed.  If I don&#039;t have money to pay for something, I shouldn&#039;t be forced into paying it, and taxpayers shouldn&#039;t be forced into covering my costs.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if I get hit by a bus, I will probably die.  If health related complications occur that I cannot afford then I will have to accept them.  Who says that I have to be fixed?  So you&#8217;re saying that if I get in an accident, and I can&#8217;t afford the treatment that I have to be fixed?   I have a right to not be fixed.  If I don&#8217;t have money to pay for something, I shouldn&#8217;t be forced into paying it, and taxpayers shouldn&#8217;t be forced into covering my costs.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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